mercredi 10 août 2016

some comms from owner of Amibroker re Indians - must read

Tomasz Janeczko groups@amibroker.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 9 at 5:25 AM
Hello,

Due to shockingly high piracy in India, support for users from India from now is limited to REGISTERED customers only.

India people - please understand that software does not grow on trees.

If you use the software you are supposed to pay for it, like you pay for food or anything that you consume.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com



Praveen Agrawal pkumar24@gmail.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 9 at 11:34 AM


Yes Tomasz, I agree.

It is unfortunate to see such things specially when such a useful software is available at a fraction of cost of similar other software. More so, the cost for 2 years is also a small part of the brokerage people are paying here in India. Further, getting licensed copy frees you from many inconveniences. Thus, beyond ethical reasons too, they fail to see these important things. But those addicted to free software may not understand all this.

Praveen Kumar


jorgen.wallgren@gmail.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 9 at 4:58 PM


Then a giveaway that they use a pirated copy can be when they ask you to help and make sure an AFL code is running on an earlier version of AmiBroker! I had one such case and I told him to upgrade to the latest version.

I can't say for sure it was a pirated copy he used, but it's suspicious since there is no reason why not to upgrade!

I just can't stand these people using pirated copies of everything! They never think about the fact that end of the day there are people that doesn't get the well deserved paycheck for their work! And that it's no difference between using a pirated copy of software, music, videos and physically sneak in to someones home/office and steal things! They are basically thieves!

Jorgen



Tomasz Janeczko groups@amibroker.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 9 at 6:14 PM


Hello,

Thank you for your support. Fighting piracy is in good interest of every registered user.
Unfortunately big companies (yes Google I am speaking about you) are not co-operative
and many times ignore the law and simply don't comply to DMCA.

Piracy causes a number of effects:
a) developer time spent on fighting piracy instead of implementing new features
b) lost revenue -> less resources (time&money) to development
c) less innovation, less motivation (it does not help if you see everyday when your work is stolen so frequently)
d) less content/services being provided to the public (vide moving AFL library into members area for example)

So please whenever you can educate people that they should support legal software.
Please educate them that their belief that "just copying" does not do any harm is completely false.

Tell people that if they continue, they are going to end up in the world that is owned only by big corporations (Google, Microsoft, Apple)
that would eventually take over their lives completely and then it would be too late to change.

Ask yourself, if AmiBroker was written by Google or Microsoft, would anyone listen to you?

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


vandan_tanna@yahoo.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 9 at 11:17 PM


Dear Tomasz:

I am really shocked that you would single out a race to treat it in an inferior manor.

I do not disagree that piracy is a major problem for software developers and that some regions are worse than others, but to have a policy that openly discriminates against one race is a worse possible solution.

A telented software developer of your caliber can come up with a vastly superior method than what is proposed.
I hope you do.

Regards,
Vandan

P.S: If you are wondering, yes I am from India, yes I have paid for the software, and NO I do not want to be treated poorly (before and after registration) just because I am from India.



Pankaj Sharma sharma.pankaj.kumar@gmail.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 10 at 12:22 AM


Absolutely second Vandan's sentiment. Tomasz, if piracy is hurting, build something that makes piracy difficult. Its not good karma to make racist comments.

Pankaj


Tomasz Janeczko groups@amibroker.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 10 at 12:26 AM


Hello,

Good karma? How about not stealing. Would that make karma better?

Maybe a girl who gets raped also needs to "do something that makes rape difficult"?

Is this is the logic you are presenting here?

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Pankaj Sharma sharma.pankaj.kumar@gmail.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 10 at 12:31 AM


I am proposing that if you build commercial software that has a licensing policy, also build in checks to ensure sanctity of license. Distributing with a poorly engineered license and then whining about it will not do you any good.


Tomasz Janeczko groups@amibroker.com [amibroker] <amibroker@yahoogroups.com>
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Aug 10 at 12:44 AM


Hello,

How about answering my question first? How about just not stealing.

Suddenly you are an expert with commercial software development and you know how licensing systems work
and know inner workings of AmiBroker.

Interesting.

FYI: even softwares with hardware keys (Autocad, Cubase, etc) are cracked. So they must be poor engineers too?
You need to tell them about your findings and propose your consultancy on how to 'properly' do their work.

For your information:
http://ift.tt/2aNRG1L

61% of amibroker.com site traffic comes from India, yet only 1% of registered users are from India.

Now look at the frequency of searches for crack
http://ift.tt/2aNQD21

Which country is marked with blue color on this map?

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Dear TJ,

Appreciate your concerns around piracy and I myself with many others are against of it. Just a small request, don't generalize it by saying Indians are not buying your license. There are many of us Indians who buy your product at market price.

If I am right, your site mentions that once bought license, one can continue using is with no upgrades. But the problem is with people who share the product with others, right?

We respect and will continue recommending your wonderful software (to be bought) and used...

Regards,
Milind


Tomasz,

Stealing is bad, making generalizations on race is worse. Trumpism appears to be catching on!

Yes, i am an expert on commercial software, financial trading software in particular. Our product is institutional, but we still invest significant amount in licensing. And you will be surprised how banks love to cheat on license terms. Many are from eastern Europe!

I do not know the inner workings of amibroker. You are the product manager for Ami, so I would hope you can build something that is more difficult to crack. its OK to rant but going public with your prejudices will only hurt your product.

Enough said by me. Let the group draw its own conclusions.


Dear TJ,

You are talking to people like me who have paid full price for your software. Yes, we are Indians and probably can also help you. So rather than pointing and fighting, lets try to find a solution together.

Regards,
Milind


Dear Tomasz:

It is clear that this frustrates you; but please do not compare software piracy with rape!
Rape is several orders of magnitude more heinous crime. I urge you to not to cheapen trauma of rape victims.

You are right. Not stealing is the right thing. The 8th commandment should be pillar of any moral being.
People's attitudes need to change for all the reasons you outlined in your previous post.

All I am asking is for you to have a different solution. A solution that doesn't penalize entire race.

Please consider it.

Regards,
Vandan


I probably should not weigh in on this, but people should stop shouting "racism" when confronted with facts they do not like.

TJ wrote that piracy in INDIA was a problem. No problem with "Indians" and no problem with people of Indian descent who live in Australia, Europe, North American etc.

So if our Indian friends and AmiBroker enthusiasts who live in India could at least acknowledge (and some here already have) that AmiBroker is having a problem with piracy from India. That's not a racist statement, and a solution that registered users will continue to receive technical support should not upset anyone. Disappointed sure, but stop accusing TJ of racism as it is nonsense.

If you want to extrapolate that and encourage a policy of technical support only to registered users from ANY country, would be fine with me and I suspect that would be fine with most honest AB users.


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Posted by: portfoliobuilder99@gmail.com


Hello,

Apparently you totally misinterpreted what I wrote.

In case you did not notice, I only compared posters attitude to "protection" against wrong doing.
Some people try to convince others that crime is justified by the fact that victim did not protect "effectively" against crime.
I strongly disagree with that.
This is what the example was about. It was intended to highlight wrong thinking of people putting blame on victim.

You may need to re-read my post to better understand.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Hello,

If it makes you feel better - yes thieves exist in every country on this planet.
And yes there are millions and millions genuine people in every country as well.

Does this change the facts I provided in previous e-mail?
No.

http://ift.tt/2aNRakz
http://ift.tt/2aNQStY


Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


I think we should tone down the racist talk. I didn't see anything racist in Tomasz's original post. He simply singled out a *country* where it appears there is a large amount of piracy.


Tuzo



Hello,

Thank you very much for your e-mail.

Yes I am really surprised about racism accusations too, but I can understand the background and hurt feelings.
Did not intend to hurt anyone. But you can't argue with numbers.

As to key issue, i.e. providing support to paying customers only, it is pretty much obvious and well stated
on our web page that tech support is for registered users.

We always try to answer everybody's e-mails, and help people especially when they are using trial.
But if we can see from the history that the same person sends e-mails for 6 months and tells us that he still uses trial
we can not do more but to stop.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Hello,

That reminds me one situation that I unfortunately faced too.

Something like 25 years ago I was a victim of robbery which happened in student hostel
where I lived then. Two robbers entered the room and one quickly took the screwdriver that was laying
on the desk threatening that he would dig it into my heart when I don't surrender and the other grabbed
few things and started to run away. I fought against him a bit and he ran away.
When police arrived half an hour later, they took me into police car and we went to check some
places known to the police. I was lucky that we found two criminals who were just celebrating
their robbery right in front of one shop drinking alcohol.
Both were arrested.
After some months there was a trial.
To my astonishment the robber's attorney started to blame me that I have "deliberately put the screwdriver
on the desk and if I did not do that they won't attack me". I explained him that screwdriver is usually
used not to kill somebody, but to unscrew the screws and I was repairing my old computer monitor few
minutes before.
Robbers got 3 years in jail.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


One last comment and then I will not push my point further.

Saying that India is the country with most unregistered/cracked versions of Amibroker is NOT racist. It is statistics.
Saying that users from India will require registered version of software for support while others will not IS racist.

>>Seriously guys. Rather instead of whining and complaining about a simple matter of fact and pathetically throwing racism cards rather try to educate your fellow country men (and the country doesn't matter) about what is right and what is wrong.

..and until the majority of population can stand on a higher moral ground, all shell be treated like cheaters!

Regards,
Vandan


Hello,

"Saying that users from India will require registered version of software for support while others will not IS racist."

You may need to consult your doctor to get your eyes checked.

Nobody and nowhere said that "others will not".
You have imagined this in your head and try to put this into other peoples mouth.

Technical support is given to registered users only. This was always like that.
Regardless of country.

Now, what shall we do if we receive an e-mail from somebody who is NOT registered?

Technically we should not answer at all, BUT...

We always try to answer everybody's e-mails, and help people especially when they are using trial.
But if we can see from the history that the same person sends e-mails for 6 months and tells us that he still uses trial
we can not do more but to stop.

Unfortunately facts are such that gross of such requests come from India. It is statistics.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com



Hello,

For your information:
http://ift.tt/2aNRG1L

61% of amibroker.com site traffic comes from India, yet only 1% of registered users are from India.

Now look at the frequency of searches for crack
http://ift.tt/2aNQD21

Which country is marked with blue color on this map?

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Hello,

Did you actually read what I wrote?

I don't think that providing support to PAYING customers can be described as "discrimination".

So you go to car dealer and say "you discriminate me because you don't allow to steal your cars"

Sorry, but I am not politician and I don't need to be politically correct.
What I am saying is based on fact that literally thousands of users from India use my software illegally
and despite that they still demand support.
And I say no. You will NOT get support unless you are legal customer paying for our work.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Hi Folks,

I remember years ago, going to a Metastock seminar, where the Metastock managers had been confused for years as to why their product had such a low take-up in India. It took them a while to work it out that Metastock was in fact in wide-spread use, it just wasn’t being paid for!

Best regards
Bruce W.


Hello,

Thank you very much for your e-mail.

Yes I appreciate that many Indians bought the license.

And yes once you buy it you can use this version forever. And not only that.
You will get now 2 years of free upgrades.

The license is PERSONAL. It means it is for use of ONE person. You can install
on more than one computer only if those computers are yours and you are the
person using the software.

You can _not_ "share" license. It is only for you and nobody else.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com


Hello,

Did you actually read what I wrote?

I don't think that providing support to PAYING customers can be described as "discrimination".

So you go to car dealer and say "you discriminate me because you don't allow to steal your cars"

Sorry, but I am not politician and I don't need to be politically correct.
What I am saying is based on fact that literally thousands of users from India use my software illegally
and despite that they still demand support.
And I say no. You will NOT get support unless you are legal customer paying for our work.

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko


Holy Smoke!

There is not one racist comment from Tomasz! I think you guys do not know what racism is.

Tomasz brought up some facts. In my previous work I was among other things in charge of IT Training and the country with the highest piracy rate of our materials and classes was India. We had piracy problems in another countries also, such as China being #2. But India was way ahead of the other countries and we lost so much money there we had to stop the operation. That's a fact and have nothing to do with rasism!

Regards,

Jorgen




If I may add my 2₵ worth - I think this emotionally charged topic comes down to semantics.



The subject title has skewed the original intent of the message; & that’s is: support is for registered users only. Unregistered users are bulgers & thieves. Parasites who feed on the hard work & good will of others.



May I suggest that the title be changed to: “Support is for Registered customers only”.



& BTW welcome back fxshrat. 😊



Regards,

Edgar


Indian is not a race, friend.



TJ,

Let the it go.

I am from the same regions. There is no arguing with some of us. We like to have two of the same for no price.
Just relax. Make the key encryption (I do not know what the exact jargon is) more secure. Let it go. Some people will not stop accusing you of what you have not said.


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some comms from owner of Amibroker re Indians - must read

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